#213 · How to Sell Chatbot Services to SMBs in 2026

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Regarding AI automation, what should be implemented on the client facing side of a performance dashboard that shows ROI related information?

An important point is concision: you’re using many words to ask what to add to a dashboard, but a dashboard is by nature built for the client, so asking what client‑facing info to add is redundant. This isn’t an AI automation system; it’s a dashboard that shows ROI‑related information. ROI is simply return on investment: how much the client spends with you, how much they make, and the multiple (e.g., 4×, 10×, 15×).

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How do you actually track and report ROI to clients each month so they see the value they're paying for? What does that look like in practice?

It'd be nice if there were a beautiful ROI screen that instantly showed the return for every client, but for systems that aren't directly growth/marketing related, ROI is genuinely hard to quantify — how do you put a number on the value of a dashboard? What you can do is track that having a clear, well-built dashboard measurably increases the number of strong, actionable decisions a business owner makes in a month, and those decisions are what move the business forward — even if that chain is hard to track precisely. You need to align with the client on a shared understanding of ROI, and constantly check in: 'I noticed you made a couple of new decisions last month, how important would you say the dashboard was to that?' Take notes on their answers and keep building a case for why they should keep working with you. I treat my weekly strategy calls like sales calls, not just status updates — I open with 'you would not believe how much money we made last week' and show the numbers (e.g. 'that system generated $12,400 last week alone, we're on track for 40-50K a month'), then pitch the next system to add scope to the relationship. You should always be selling yourself.

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youtube ↗Sales

How do I communicate AI's value to businesses beyond just time and money savings?

Yeah, it's probably your ability to verbalize that—your skill at explaining AI's value is what's lacking. These systems save time and money, but you can't just tell that to somebody; you need to first understand their specific problem, paraphrase it in your own words to show you get it, then expand on how that problem costs them time and money. After that, you present your system as a solution, estimating ROI based on past clients, maybe mentioning a big‑name client you built it for, and ask if it matches what they were looking for. Then you give a brief demo, showing what you can tweak. In doing so, you show how AI saves them time or money, rather than just stating it. Everybody knows AI helps, but you demonstrate it for their specific case. Automation means reducing labor cost; you show how to achieve that for their problem. You also mentioned your most profitable system is your cold outreach system. To break it down: there's a manual way and an automatic way. Manual: go to Apollo.com, create a search URL (e.g., for creative agencies), copy it, go to appi.com, type Apollo, pick the popular scraper ($120 per thousand leads), paste the URL, pay per thousand leads—you get output with names, emails, etc., export as CSV, feed into AI (using Make.com or Nad), generate personalized icebreakers via a message model, format as JSON, then upload to Instantly.ai or Smartlead. You handle copywriting yourself. The automatic way: set up a Google Drive watch folder with webhooks; when a lead sheet is uploaded, it triggers the same process automatically—scraping leads via Appify, adding them to Instantly in an automatic campaign, managing everything behind the scenes. This lets you incorporate multiple lead sources (conferences, Apollo, Zoom Info, LinkedIn, VA‑assembled leads). You also added lead nurturing: an autoresponder that replies instantly to instant‑email responses (e.g., between 6 pm and 7 am), giving the perception of attentiveness and buying time, which boosts response rates.

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You're building a speed‑to‑lead system that combines AI response, automated scheduling, nurture flows, and a performance dashboard. Do you think this is a strong direction for an automation agency offer?

He says it's a cool idea but you're validating demand the wrong way by asking for opinion instead of talking to customers. He suggests approaching prospects with a hypothetical offer, measuring their willingness to pay, and only building after validating demand. He outlines a process: talk to customers about a hypothetical speed‑to‑lead system that could improve their funnel by, say, 35%, ask what they'd pay, create demo offers, deliver upfront for free, and only charge if results are met. Then use that validation to build and sell the system to others. He also notes that questions about AI response, scheduling, nurturing, and the dashboard will help you shape the actual product.

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How do you develop AI‑based automation systems that businesses will actually pay for, and what process do you use to identify and build them?

Lead‑generation and client‑onboarding systems make up roughly 70% of my revenue, so I focus on those bottlenecks first. The flow is: generate leads, close the sale, onboard the client, fulfill the work, then retain the client with follow‑up. AI agents are getting better, but the real money comes from solving concrete bottlenecks, not fancy chatbots. My process is simple: look at an average business’s pipeline, identify the biggest bottleneck, and ask how you can do that step faster or better. I often reference the Theory of Constraints (see "The Goal" by Eli Goldratt) to frame this. Most bottlenecks are at the top of the funnel—lead generation—so start there. For each bottleneck, map what’s currently being done and brainstorm ways to automate or accelerate it. Specific tools help, but the core is understanding the pipeline and continuously removing constraints.

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